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meena puram's avatar

Awesome analysis!! I watched AOT a few years ago, and in all honesty, I don't remember ever finishing it, despite getting halfway through the fourth season. Yet, this conversation reminded me of the debate of whether war films could ever truly be anti-war; the act of making a movie or show about a certain subject requires making said subject have entertainment value. What does it say about storytellers who seek to make a spectacle out of unadulterated horrors? It makes me question if AOT truly achieved its intent to speak on the senselessness of war, and the pacing issues (that many people have pointed out before) potentially contribute to its shortcomings. After spending three whole seasons drawing out incredibly exhilarating fight scenes and justifying the main character's ultimate resolve, can all that really be effectively subverted in a single season and two movies?

Every so often, I come across an AOT video using the audio of Erwin's speech. And while it sounds super badass, you can't ignore the fact that the speech was meant to motivate soldiers to rush into a final, likely suicidal attack. It reminds me of Wilfred Owen's poem, Dulce Et Decorum Est:

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest / To children ardent for some desperate glory / The old lie: sweet and fitting it is / to die for one's country."

Correct me if I'm misinterpreting this moment, or forgetting elements of the show that would prove me wrong, but it feels like the spectacle baked into AOT--the beautifully animated fight scenes and invigorating speeches--ultimately deviates from the show's anti-war messaging. You raise a lot of important questions, like why *do* we get excited to see children face off against monsters, risking their lives in the process? I would also raise the question: does the show's willingness to make the fight scenes and speeches so cool ultimately bolster common misinterpretations? In other words, is the show responsible for these misinterpretations, especially if the misinterpretations are so widespread? If so, should that be taken into account when ultimately evaluating the show's quality?

I tend to have problems with pieces of media that fail to account for its implications, one being Anora, a movie which I don't believe effectively subverted its love story at all. That said, I should definitely rewatch/finish AOT before coming to a conclusion haha.

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Ashlander's avatar

This is one of those things where it's like, is it just that people hate women? Or is it that 'annoying' is a greater sin than being evil for viewers? It's hard to say. To be fair, I have the impression that a lot of people dislike Eren as well.

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